Current Turmoil in the Catholic Church | The Line

By | August 22, 2019


>>WELCOME BACK TO THE LINE,
OUR FINAL TOPIC THIS WEEK, A RECENT GRAND JURY REPORT
REVEALED WIDESPREAD SEXUAL ABUSE OF CHILDREN BY CATHOLIC
PRIESTS IN PENNSYLVANIA. LOCAL NEWS REPORTS THAT AT
LEAST A DOZEN OF THOSE PRIESTS ACCUSED OF MOLESTING CHILDREN
WERE SENT TO THE SERVANTS OF THE PARACLETE IN JEMEZ SPRINGS
FOR TREATMENT AND THEN MOVED BY HIGHER-UPS TO ASSIGNMENTS
THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY AT PARISHES UNAWARE OF THE
ALLEGED CRIMES. ARCHBISHOP OF SANTA FE ISSUED
A STATEMENT APOLOGIZING TO THE VICTIMS AND FAMILIES AND
CALLED FOR A DAY OF PRAYER, ATONEMENT AND REPARATION, ON
SEPTEMBER 14. DID THAT APOLOGY WORK FOR YOU?>>NO. IT IS A VACUOUS DOCUMENT
WRITTEN BY SOMEONE ELSE WHICH IS EMBLEMATIC OF THE LOSS OF
CONFIDENCE AND TRUST THAT PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD HAVE
HAD WITH THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. I WENT TO CATHOLIC SCHOOL FOR
12 YEARS AND I KNOW SOMETHING OF IT. YOU HAVE INSTITUTIONAL
SYSTEMIC COVERUP HAPPENING THE TIME. IT IS NOT JUST IN THIS COUNTRY
BUT THE WORLD. WE HAVE 1000 VICTIMS THAT WE
ARE AWARE OF IN PENNSYLVANIA. THAT IS JUST PENNSYLVANIA. THERE IS 50 STATES. WE NEVER HEAR FROM THE
CATHOLIC CHURCH WHAT IS THE STRATEGY TO HELP THE VICTIMS. WE ALWAYS HEAR PRAY FOR THE
CHURCH AND NEVER HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT DO YOU DO ABOUT THE
VICTIMS. FURTHER, ALL THE CATHOLIC
CHURCH TENDS TO DO IS DISMISS IT SO IT FADES AWAY AND, WELL,
THE BISHOP IS GOING TO RESIGN. WHAT ABOUT FACING CRIMINAL
CHARGES. IS SOMEONE LIKE YOU OR ME WERE
ENGAGED IN THAT HEINOUS BEHAVIOR, WE WOULD BE IN JAIL
FOR 50 YEARS, BUT THE CHURCH NEVER TALKS ABOUT THAT KIND OF
RETRIBUTION. THAT IS THE DEPTH OF
HYPOCRISY.>>THE ZERO TOLERANCE POLICY
THAT JEFFREY IS ALLUDING TO, WHY HAS THAT NOT HAPPENED? ANY REASONABLE PERSON WOULD
EXPECT THAT.>>GENE, YOU DON’T HAVE TO
HAVE ANY DEEPER CONVERSATION OTHER THAN TO SAY THEY HAVE A
FACILITY TO CURE THESE PEOPLE. AND WE KNOW THAT IF YOU ARE
ONE OF THE THESE SEX OFFENDERS, WHEN WE INTRODUCED
MEGAN’S LAW IN NEW MEXICO AND EVERY ONE OF THESE
PROFESSIONALS CAME AND TESTIFIED, YOU DON’T CURE
THESE PEOPLE. THERE IS NO CURE FOR IT. THEY TALKED ABOUT EVERYTHING
FROM CHEMICAL CASTRATION. IT DOESN’T STOP US FROM WHAT
WE ARE DOING. THIS IS THE WAY IT IS. CATHOLIC CHURCH BELIEVES THEY
CAN REPROGRAM THEM. TAKE THEM OUT TO JEMEZ
SPRINGS, REPROGRAM THEM AND NO ONE ELSE HAS HAD SUCCESS
DOING, AND SAY, NOW WE WILL PUT YOU BACK OUT IN THE
COMMUNITY AND HAVE YOU LEAD A CHURCH AGAIN. I AGREE AT THE END OF THE DAY,
IT IS INTERESTING EVERY TIME THIS HAPPENS, I AM KIND OF
REMINDED LISTENING TO WHAT THE BISHOP SAID, HIS COMMENT WAS
VERY SIMILAR TO MYERS AND OHIO STATE, WE ARE REALLY SORRY OUR
UNIVERSITY HAS BEEN AFFECTED BY THIS, SORRY THIS IS
AFFECTING WHAT WE DO AND YOU KNOW, WE’RE ALL KIND OF SORRY
ABOUT THAT. YOU THINK AFTER THE LAST
SCANDAL THAT LITERALLY ALMOST BROUGHT DOWN THE CATHOLIC
CHURCH, THERE SEEMS TO BE ZERO CHANGES WHEN IT COMES TO DOING
THIS, AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT FOLKS OUT OF PENNSYLVANIA AND
THEN THAT DOCUMENT SAYS, THESE PRIESTS WERE PUT BACK OUT. WE KNOW IN THE PAST THAT WHEN
THEY BROUGHT THESE FOLKS TO NEW MEXICO, WHAT THEY PUT THEM
BACK OUT TO BE PRIESTS, THEY PUT THEM BACK OUT ON
RESERVATIONS, VERY SMALL TOWNS, PLACES WHERE THEY
DIDN’T SPEAK ENGLISH AND THE PRIESTS WHO COMMITTED THESE
CRIMES DIDN’T SPEAK SPANISH. AND NOW WE ARE HEARING WE SEND
THEM HERE AND PUT THEM BACK OUT THERE. AT THE END OF THE DAY,
SOMEBODY HAS TO HOLD THIS ORGANIZATION ACCOUNTABLE AND
SAY THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE.>>IT IS THE CATHOLICS
THEMSELVES THAT HAVE TO HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE? SOMETHING SEEMS TO HAVE TURNED
HERE. FOLKS HAVE HAD ENOUGH. YOU THINK ABOUT THIS IN CHILE,
IRELAND, IT GOES ON AND ON.>>IT’S AN INTERNATIONAL
SCANDAL, NOT JUST U.S. SCANDAL. THE POPE IS ON HIS WAY OR
MAYBE HAS ARRIVED IN IRELAND. I CAN’T REMEMBER THE EXACT
DATE, BUT, YOU KNOW, ARE CATHOLICS GOING TO MAKE THE
CHANGE, WELL, I MEAN IN SOME WAYS, RANK AND FILE, IS IT THE
LEADERSHIP, I THINK THERE IS SOMETHING BIGGER HERE WHICH IS
THAT WE DON’T JUST SEE PROBLEMS IN THE CATHOLIC
CHURCH, WE ALSO SEE WITHIN THE EVANGELICAL MOVEMENT PASTORS
BEING MOVED FROM LOCATION TO LOCATION AFTER PROBLEMS WITH
PARISHIONERS. WE HAVE, AS A COUNTRY, AN
EXTRAORDINARILY HANDS OFF ATTITUDE ABOUT RELIGION AND WE
ALLOW RELIGIOUS LEADERS TO STEP OVER RULES THAT APPLY IN
OTHER PARTS OF OUR LIVES. SO, RECENTLY I WAS AT UNM AND
HEARD A DISCUSSION, A BRIEF DISCUSSION, OF A TRAINING THAT
HAD JUST HAPPENED ABOUT PEOPLE AT THE UNIVERSITY REQUIRED TO
REPORT. WHY DON’T WE HAVE THOSE
REQUIRED TO REPORT MANDATES ENFORCED ON THE CATHOLIC
CHURCH AND OTHER CHURCHES? BECAUSE WE ARE AFRAID TO TOUCH
RELIGION. AND WE GIVE FAITH
ORGANIZATIONS THE OPPORTUNITY TO STEP AWAY FROM RULES THAT
ARE REQUIRED OF EVERYONE ELSE.>>ADRIAN, YOU KNOW IT IS
INTERESTING, THE POPE OF COURSE MADE A STATEMENT AND
SOME FOLKS FIND IT WANTING BUT IT IS A STATEMENT UNLIKE ANY
PREVIOUS POPES ADDRESSED THIS. IS THIS ENOUGH TO GET THE
WHEELS TURNING? WAS THE POPE STRONG ENOUGH IN
YOUR VIEW HERE?>>YEAH. I DON’T THINK SO. I MEAN, I AM NOT CATHOLIC, I
COME FROM 9 GENERATIONS OF NEW MEXICANS THAT ARE CATHOLIC BUT
WHAT COMES TO MIND FOR ME, IS SEXUAL ASSAULT AND ABUSE IS
RAMPANT IN WESTERN CULTURE AND I AGREE WITH JEFFREY, I WANT
TO KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING TO SUPPORT THE SURVIVORS, WHAT IS
GOING ON, YOU KNOW, THE STATEMENT IS NOT ENOUGH TO
REPAIR THE HARM AND THE BREACH OF TRUST THAT HAS BEEN MADE SO
I THINK GOING FORWARD THE CHURCH IS GOING TO HAVE TO
INTERNALLY AND FUNDAMENTALLY REALIGN PRIORITIES AND WHAT
THEY DO FROM HERE, BEYOND THE STATEMENT, IS A REFLECTION OF
THOSE PRIORITIES. AND IN COMING MONTHS AND YEARS
IT WILL BECOME CLEAR IF THE CHURCH IS COMMITTED TO JUSTICE
AND THEIR VALUES, THEN, THEIR ACTIONS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO
SHOW IT.>>THEY ARE NOT. YOU KNOW. RIGHT. WHAT DO THEY DO FOR THE
VICTIMS? THEY ARE GO TO WRITE THEM A
CHECK AND THEY GOT MORE MONEY THAN CARTER HAS LIVER PILLS. THEY PRINT MONEY AT THE
VATICAN. THEY HAVE MONEY THEY COULDN’T
SPEND IN 10 LIFETIMES SO THERE IS NO REASON TO GET INVOLVED
IN THIS. THEY JUST KEEP GOING UNTIL
THEY GET CAUGHT AND THEN THEY WRITE A CHECK, SAY THEY ARE
SORRY, AND GO RIGHT ABOUT BUSINESS AGAIN.>>SPEAKING OF CHECKS, THERE
IS AN INTERESTING IDEA THAT FOLKS CAN VOTE WITH THEIR
WALLETS ON THIS. I AM NOT GOING TO GIVE
ANYMORE.>>THERE WAS AN ARTICLE ABOUT
THAT RECENTLY. THERE WAS ANOTHER SOBERING
ARTICLE IN THE NEW YORK TIMES ABOUT NUNS THAT HAVE BEEN
ABUSED FOR YEARS, FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS. THAT IS ANOTHER POPULATION
THAT HAS BEEN BASICALLY NOT RECOGNIZED. BUT TO YOUR POINT, THE WAY
WE — I AM NO LONGER A CATHOLIC BUT THE WAY CATHOLIC
FOLKS CAN INITIATE CHANGE IS BY NOT PROVIDING MONEYS TO THE
CHURCH AND DEMANDING, BY THE WAY, WHAT I REMEMBER OF THE
CATHOLIC CHURCH IT IS BISHOPS THAT IS IMPLEMENTERS. NOT THE CARDINALS OR THE POPE. THE POPE IS SO FAR REMOVED
FROM THE IMPLEMENTATION OF POLICY, WE HAVE TO DEMAND
CHANGE FROM IMPLEMENTERS THEMSELVES AND THOSE ARE THE
BISHOPS.>>WOULD IT MEAN SOMETHING TO
YOU IF THE POPE CAME TO THE U.S. TO TALK ABOUT THIS THE
WAY HE WENT TO CHILE OR HAVE THE BISHOPS FROM CHILE COME TO
THE VATICAN AND HAD A MEETING ABOUT THIS. A SYMBOL LIKE THAT. JUST SOMETHING PHYSICAL. WOULD THAT MEAN SOMETHING?>>NOT REALLY. I THINK TO YOUR POINT YOU NEED
SYSTEMIC INSTITUTIONAL REFORM FROM THE INSIDE OUT, LIKE
MARTIN LUTHER DID WHEN, WHAT WAS IT, 1564, WHEN HE SAID,
YOU’RE PAYING AN ADULTERESS TO FORGIVE ME FOR RAPING THIS
WOMAN. WE NEED THAT KIND OF
REFORMATION OF THE CHURCH BUT IT HAS TO COME FROM NOT THE
POPE BUT WE THE PEOPLE OR THE CLERGY THEMSELVES DEMANDING
THE HYPOCRISY IS ERADICATED AND WE ARE TRANSPARENT. THERE SHOULD BE STATE BY STATE
INVESTIGATION OF THE BOOKS IN MY OPINION OF EVERY
ARCHDIOCESE.>>THE POPE CAME FORWARD AND
SAID WE ARE GOING TO HIRE AN OUTSIDE FIRM AND THEY WILL
HAVE UNFETTERED ACCESS STARTING IN THE U.S.
WE HAVE A ZERO TOLERANCE POLICY, I HAVE TO START
LISTENING. WHEN THE ANSWER IS, WE ARE
REALLY SORRY. WE ARE GOING TO PRAY FOR
EVERYBODY TO FORGIVE US. WE ARE GOING TO WRITE A CHECK
AND I AM GOING TO IRELAND TO SAY I AM SORRY THERE TOO, I
BELIEVE IT IS NOISE.>>THERE IS A FACEBOOK THAT
SAYS, LOOK, CAN WE NOT IGNORE THE OBVIOUS, MAYBE WE HAVE
MORE WOMEN IN POSITION OF POWER IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH.>>IT IS NOT SO MUCH —
[MULTIPLE VOICES]>>THERE HAS BEEN A DISCUSSION
AS WELL RIGHT NOW ABOUT THE FACT THAT WOMEN ARE OFTEN NOT
PERFECT BUT WE KNOW THAT WOMEN ARE LESS LIKELY TO BE SEXUAL
PREDATORS THAN MEN ARE, JUST HISTORICALLY. AND, SO, YOU KNOW, YEAH, I
MEAN, I THINK THERE IS A LOT GOING ON WITH THE CATHOLIC
CHURCH THAT IS A THROW BACK, ISN’T THIS THE DEFINITION OF
THROW BACK TO A VERY DIFFERENT TIME. THE POPE TALKS ABOUT
MODERNIZING THE CHURCH, TALKS ABOUT MOVING AWAY FROM A
CLERGY FOCUS. THIS IS ABOUT PROTECTING THE
CLERGY AND MOVING TOWARD A MISSION FOCUSED AND
CONGREGATION FOCUSED, YOU KNOW, A FOCUS ON THE FAITHFUL
I THINK WHAT IS WHAT THEY SAY. BUT, AT ITS BASE, WE ARE
TALKING ABOUT A VERY OLD AND WELL ENTRENCHED SYSTEM AND —
>>I HEAR THAT.>>I CAN’T TELL THEM TO START
PUTTING WOMEN IN POSITIONS OF POWER.>>ON DAN’S POINT, FOR A LOT
OF AMERICANS, ANYTHING LESS THAN THAT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE,
WE HAVE REACHED THAT THRESHOLD WHERE DAN IS SUGGESTED.>>THAT IS ALL THE TIME WE
HAVE. THANK YOU ALL. GOOD STUFF ON A FRIDAY NIGHT.

One thought on “Current Turmoil in the Catholic Church | The Line

  1. John McClellan Post author

    Wuerl in a position of power did great evil when he could have done good, There is a homosexual heresy destroying the clergy. It is so powerful that even the Curia has homosexual Cardinals. McCarrick is but one of many predatory homosexual priests in the Church. The Pope is afraid of this gay mafia of clerics. Vigano is the only man in the clergy brave enough to speak truth to power. Destroy this gay mafia before it destroys holy mother Church. SILENT NO MORE.

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