At Home With Jim And Joy – 2017-06-19 – Marc Ayers

By | August 31, 2019


♪ [APPLAUSE]>>Joy: WELCOME! YOU ARE “AT HOME WITH JIM AND JOY” AND YOU ARE AN IMPORTANT PART OF OUR EWTN FAMILY. AND WE WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU. GIVE US A CALL AT 205-271-2980 OR TOLL-FREE 1-800-221-9460. SEND US AN EMAIL AT ewtn.com. I KNOW TODAY WE’RE GOING TO DO A GREAT INTERVIEW WITH MARC AYERS. JUST A BEAUTIFUL CATHOLIC MAN. REALLY GOOD ATTORNEY. AND HAS JUST GIVEN SUCH THOUGHT TO THE WHOLE AREA OF CATHOLIC MASCULINITY, THE SANCTITY OF LIFE AND MARRIAGE IN THE FAMILY, WHAT’S GOING ON IN THE CULTURE, SECULARISM. AND HE’S GOING TO BE SPEAKING WITH US. FIRST, WE HAVE.>>WE’RE GOING TO GO TO MARIAN MULL HILL, WORLD PRIESTS.COM. TODAY, SHE’S GOING TO TALK TO US ABOUT THE GLOBAL ROSARY RELAY FOR PRIESTS WHICH IS GOING TO HAPPEN JUNE 23, 2017. MARIAN, WELCOME TO “AT HOME WITH JIM AND JOY”!>>Voice: THANK YOU SO MUCH. IT’S MY PLEASURE.>>TELL US OUR FAMILY AT HOME AND ALL OVER THE WORLD, WHAT’S THE GLOBAL RELAY? THE GLOBAL RELAY ROSARY CAME TO US AS AN INSPIRATION IN A QUIET REFLECTIVE MOMENT SEVEN YEARS AGO. AND THAT INSPIRATION OF 20 COUNTRIES, 20 MYSTERIES HAS LED TO ONE OF THE LARGEST DAYS OF PRAYER IN THE WORLD AND THIS IS THE EIGHTH YEAR. SO, SHARE WITH US, MARIAN, JUST THE VISION FOR THIS AND WHAT ACTUALLY TAKES PLACE WHAT’S ON THIS WORLD, JUNE 3, HOW DO WE KNOW, HOW DOES IT WORK?>>BASICALLY AS I SAY, WE’VE COVERED EVERY SINGLE TIME ZONE ON THE 24 HOUR CLOCK. SO, WHAT HAPPENS IS, THIS YEAR, FOR THE FIRST YEAR IT ACTUALLY STARTS OFF IN KOREA, SEOUL, SOUTH KOREA. AND THEY PRAY THE JOYFUL MYSTERIES SPIRITUALLY PASSING IT OBTO SIBERIA. YOU CAN GO TO WORLD PRIESTS.COM AND HAS A MAP OF THE WORLD, ALL OF THE DIFFERENT COUNTRIES. YOU CAN CLICK ON ANYONE OF THE COUNTRIES, IT WILL TELL YOU THE EXACT TIME THEY ARE PRAYING THIS ROSARY. AND IT CREATED A WHOLE BIG STIR OF MOVEMENT THAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE PART OF THIS. AND THEY WANT TO KNOW, WHEN ARE WE RECEIVING IT. WHERE IS IT COMING FROM, WHERE ARE WE SENDING IT TO. AND WHAT TIME IS THIS COMING OUT OF. TRYING TO ENGAGE AND SAY FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAVE ICELAND, HAWAII WITH BISHOP SILVA AND HE APPOINTED WONDERFUL LAY COMMITTEE TO RUN THE GLOBAL LAY ROSARY IN HAWAII THAT EVERYBODY IN HAWAII WOULD KNOW BIT AND I COULD JOIN IN, FROM WHEREVER THEY MAY BE, IN THEIR HOMES, OFFICES, SCHOOLS, AND IN THEIR CHURCHES. AND THIS APPLIES, OBVIOUSLY, NOT JUST HAWAII, BUT LITERALLY ALL OVER THE WORLD. IN JAPAN, WE HAVE FOUR LOCATION INS JAPAN THIS YEAR WHICH WE NEVER HAD. NO LOCATION IN JAPAN. THE WORD IS SPREADING AND WE WANT TO BE PART OF THIS. AND JOIN IN THE WONDERFUL DAY OF PRAYER, SPECIFICALLY FOR THE SANCTIFICATION OF OUR PRIESTS.>>Jim: AMEN! MARIAN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU CAN GO TO WWW.WORLDPRIESTS.COM. GLOBAL RELAY ROSARY FOR PRIESTS AUGUST 23. AND THANK YOU FOR UNITING THE WORLD TO PRAY FOR PRIESTS ON THAT DAY.>>AND IF POSSIBLE, WE APPEAL TO PEOPLES’ SUPPORT AND THIS HAS GONE SO BIG, IF THEY FEEL SO INCLINED, DONATE A DOLLAR. WE’VE WANT TO SUPPORT THE EXTENSION GROWTH OF THIS HUGE APOSTOLATE PROGRAM.>>OKAY. GO TO WORLD PRIESTS.COM AND YOU CAN FIND OUT HOW TO GO TO THIS GREAT, GREAT DAY THAT’S FORTHCOMING SO VERY SOON. MARC AYERS IS COMING UP AND WE’LL HAVE A BEAUTIFUL CONVERSATION ABOUT TRUE MASCULINITY FROM THE CATHOLIC UNDERSTANDING AND VIEWPOINT. WE’RE GOING TO BE SPEAKING ABOUT MARRIAGE, THE FAMILY, AND ABOUT THE CULTURE, TRUE MASCULINITY AND THE FAMILY. DON’T GO AWAY. PLENTY MORE TO COME. [APPLAUSE] ♪ ♪ [APPLAUSE]>>Joy: WELCOME BACK! YOU ARE AN IMPORTANT PART OF OUR EWTN FAMILY. AND WE WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU. IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR TODAY’S GUEST, MARC AYERS, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS SEND US AN EMAIL ONE THING ABOUT MARC, HIS WIFE DONNA IS THE BEST THING! SHE’S JUST ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. YOUR FRIENDSHIP HAS MEANT SO MUCH TO DONNA AND I AND OUR FAMILY OVER THE YEARS.>>Joy: TELL THE FAMILY AT HOME ABOUT YOUR JOURNEY. CONVERT, LAWYER, FATHER, HUSBAND. AND YOU GOT A COUPLE OF THINGS GOING ON! PRETTY BUSY GUY.>>Jim: AND YOU ARE A CONVERTED LAWYER, RIGHT?>>Guest: WE NEED TO EXPLAIN THAT SOMETIME.>>WELL, I GREW UP IN A PRESBYTERIAN HOUSEHOLD IN FLORIDA AND ACTUALLY ATTENDED PRESBYTERIAN SEMINARY BEFORE GOING TO LAW SCHOOL. VERY INVOLVED, I SUPPOSE, DOING A LOT OF TEACHING, APOLOGETICS AND MY PROTESTANT BACKGROUND. LOVED MY HERITAGE, WHAT IT TAUGHT ME, THE BIBLE, FAITH, AND TO TAKE THINGS VERY, VERY SERIOUSLY AND ULTIMATELY, WHAT MATTERS IS HEAVEN AND HELL, THE SALVATION OF SOULS AND SO FORTH. I MET MY WIFE HERE IN ALABAMA. SHE WAS RAISED IN THE METHODIST HOUSEHOLD PRESBYTERIAN AND THE FULLNESS OF THE FAITH AND WE BEGAN TO LOOK AT THOSE THINGS AND LOOK LIKE, WHERE DOES CHRISTIANITY COME FROM. WHAT ARE OUR ROOTS. HAVING BEEN IN SEMINARY FOR A WHILE, DIDN’T FOCUS ON. AND IT WAS THROUGH A PERIOD OF FOUR OR FIVE YEARS OF STUDY AND I ENDED UP, WE BOTH CAME IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, EASTER OF 2005, NEITHER A PLACE THAT EITHER OF US THOUGHT. I KNEW LITTLE ABOUT THE CATHOLIC FAITH. AND TO THE EXTENT THEY DID KNOW ANYTHING, IT SEEMED TO NOT TO HAVE THE DAY TO DAY IMPACT ON THEIR LIVES. BUT WE SAW THROUGH THAT PERIOD OF STUDY THAT THERE WERE THINGS MISSING. AND THE FULLNESS OF THE FAITH IS HERE IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. PARTICULARLY WHEN IT ACTUALLY HAS THE COURAGE TO PROCLAIM IT WHICH MAY DOVETAIL. THAT SPOKE CLEARLY TO US, THE TRUTH OF THE FAITH, WHAT IT WAS, ON OUR JOURNEY. AND THERE WAS NOT REALLY EQUIVOCATION OR HIDE OR APOLOGIZE SOMETHING. IT WAS A STEADFAST STANCE FOR THE TRUTH. AND THAT WAS VERY DRAWING TO US. LIKE, THAT’S WHAT WE WANT THE FULLNESS OF THE FAITH, WE LIKE THE HERITAGE THAT WE GOT FROM OUR UPBRINGING. BUT WE WANT THE FULLNESS OF THE FAITH AND NOT A WATERED DOWN VERSION OF IT. AND WE ENCOURAGE PRIESTS TO SAY, DON’T BE AFRAID AND TALK IN BLACK AND WHITE TERMS TO PREACH HISTORIC TRUTHS OF THE FAITH. THAT’S WHAT DRAWS PEOPLE IN. THAT’S WHAT DREW US IN. WE’VE BEEN IN BIRMINGHAM AND WE HAVE FOUR BEAUTIFUL CHILDREN, MARK, JULIA, TUCKER, CHARLIE. THEY ARE THE GREAT JOY OF OUR LIFE. AND WE CALL IT THE HOLY CHAOS BECAUSE IT CAN BE, A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON, WE HOMESCHOOL ALL OF THEM. I SHOULD SAY, DONNA IS OUR PRIMARY WORKER THERE. AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, HAVING THE FOUR, WE ACTUALLY HAD, LOST FIVE, FAIRLY LATE MISCARRIAGE WHICH WAS DIFFICULT. AND EVEN THROUGH THAT PROCESS, LOSING THE CHILDREN THAT WE PRAY FOR, GOD SHOWED US SUCH GREAT GRACE IN LOSS, IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS. AND WE’RE GREATLY HOPEFUL AND BLESSED.>>ON YOUR JOURNEY, BECAUSE YOU ARE BOTH CONVERTS, HOW DID YOUR FAMILIES TAKE TO THE JOURNEY? SOME PEOPLE ARE HAPPY FOR YOU, SOME PEOPLE AREN’T HAPPY. SOME GET IT AND SOME DON’T GET IT. WHAT WAS IT LIKE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO FOLLOW JESUS, COST WHAT IT MIGHT. AND SOMETIMES NOT EVERYBODY AGREES WITH YOU. IT WAS DIFFICULT FOR SOME FAMILY MEMBERS ALTHOUGH THAT WASN’T A SHOCK TO ME. I STILL REMEMBER THE FIRST TIME AND SAW A BOOK OF CONVERTS TO THE CATHOLIC FAITH. AND I WAS SO STUNNED BY THAT AND MY BACKGROUND WITH CATHOLICS, I NEVER READ ANY REAL CATHOLIC WORKS BUT SECULAR CATHOLICS, YOU WOULD SAY WHO AGAIN, I DIDN’T SENSE ANYTHING, ANY KIND OF ELEMENT THAT THIS WAS THE GUIDING PRINCIPLE IN MY DAY TO DAY LIFE AND BIBLE-BASED BACKGROUND AND ENTERED THE CATHOLIC CHURCH WAS SUCH A SHOCK TO ME. AND LOOKING BACK ON IT, NOW I UNDERSTAND AND SOME FAMILY MEMBERS, OVER TIME AND OUR DEVOTIONAL LIFE HAS GROWN, FAITH HAS GROWN. AT LEAST, THAT’S THE HOPE. AND THERE’S A LEVEL OF UNDERSTANDING WHICH WE’VE REACHED. BUT IT CAN BE DIFFICULT –>>Jim: FOR A LOT OF CONVERTS, IT’S A SHOCK TO THEM. MAYBE THAT’S HOW WE NEED TO START THE CONVERSATION WITH FAMILY MEMBERS. THIS MAY BE A SHOCK BECAUSE IT’S A SHOCK TO ME. WAS IT A SHOCK TO YOU THAT YOU WOULD BE, HELPING TO UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE PEOPLE AREN’T PARTICULARLY ANTAGONISTIC BUT THEY HAVE A FAITH BASIS AND DEDICATED FAITH AND HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING. IT’S SHOCKING FOR US TO COME IN.>>Guest: AND MAYBE ON THE FLIP SIDE, THIS STEMS FROM SOME OF THE LOSS OF CATECHESIS IN THE CATHOLIC COMMUNITY, THERE WERE A LOT OF CATHOLICS WHEN WE CAME IN. AND THEY HEARD OF SOME OF THE STUFF THAT WE REALLY HAD TO GO THROUGH, FIGHTING THROUGH THE DIFFICULT THINGS WITH FAMILY, FRIENDS WHO WERE REALLY QUESTIONING THINGS AND THEY WERE SURPRISED AND ENTERED INTO WHERE CHRIST CALLED US. THAT WAS INTERESTING TOO. CATHOLICS DON’T EVEN KNOW WHY. THAT WAS UNFORTUNATE. THEY SHOULD KNOW WHY.>>Joy: WELL, FOR US AND FOR YOU TOO, IT’S TRUTH, AND AUTHORITY. AND THE BEAUTY. IT’S, LIKE, I LEAVE ALL OF THE LOVERS AND EVEN THE GOOD THINGS THAT GOD HAS TAUGHT YOU IN PROTESTANT LAND AS THEY WERE. AND HE CALLS US CLOSER, COME. WILL YOU LEAVE ALL OF THIS AND COME FOLLOW ME? AND WE SAY YES TO THAT. THAT’S BEAUTIFUL. I LOVE BEING CATHOLIC!>>Jim: I DON’T WANT THE WHOLE CONVERSATION TO BE ABOUT YOUR CONVERSION BUT TAKE OFF TWO OR THREE THINGS THAT YOU WOULD SAY, IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE. SO, IF I WERE TO SAY TO YOU, ONE OF YOUR FRIENDS OR RELATIVES, IN THE TRADITION YOU WERE IN, EVANGELICALS OR WHATEVER, CATHOLICS ARE SAYING IT ANOTHER WAY, WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS. IT REALLY DOESN’T MATTER, YOU ARE NOT THE CHANGE. WE’RE CHRISTIANS AND BROTHERS IN CHRIST WHICH WE ARE. SO, WITHOUT EVEN ELABORATING, JOY SAID SOMETHING ABOUT AUTHORITY, CONFESSION. WHAT ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT COME DO MIND, SAYS, IT REALLY DOES MATTER, OR I WOULDN’T BE DOING IT. IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE.>>Guest: WELL, THIS TIES IN WITH AUTHORITY. I WANT TO HOLD FAST WITH WHAT THE CHURCH HAS ALWAYS TAUGHT. IF CHRIST IN FACT CAME AND FOUNDED A CHURCH, I WANT TO BE PART OF THAT CHURCH. SO, IT WAS JUST A PERIOD OF STUDIES, IS THAT IN FACT THE CHURCH. AND WHEN WE WERE CONVINCED THAT’S THE CHURCH, WARTS AND ALL, THEN I WANT TO BE THERE. I DON’T WANT TO MISS ANYTHING. AND I SAW THAT MY EXPERIENCE WAS JUST A SMALL LITTLE PIECE OF IT, I SAID, NO, I WANT TO BE THERE. AND THERE WERE ALSO THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, SCRIPTURALLY AND RUNNING THE RACE, THRIVING, AND OTHER PARTS THAT SEEM TO, SOMETIMES WE CONFLICT WITH SOME VIEWS THAT WE HELD ABOUT WHAT’S OUR ROLE TO ROLE DAY AND YOU FIND IT AND FIT TOGETHER. AND YOU CAN READ THE GREAT SAINTS OF THE CHURCH, OH, NOW, ALL OF THE PIECES FIT TOGETHER. SO, WHERE DID WE GET THE BIBLE FROM. I LOVE TO HOLD UP THE BIBLE. WHERE DID IT COME FROM? IT CAME FROM THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. YOU CAN GO BACK AND CHECK IT BECAUSE IT’S PART OF THE HISTORY.>>WHICH BIBLE? IS THAT BIBLE? SIX BOOKS MISSING OUT OF THIS ONE, I MEAN, WHERE DO WE GET THIS FROM. AND I LIKED WHAT YOU SAID RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING. CHRIST ESTABLISHED A CHURCH AND WE CAN TAKE THAT TO MEAN, CHURCH IS INDIVIDUAL CONVERSION BUT THERE’S MORE TO IT. THERE’S A WAY TO ESTABLISH THE GOVERNING AUTHORITY IN THAT.>>Guest: IT’S A CONCRETE THING.>>Jim: WELL, THANK YOU. I DIDN’T WANT TO GO TOO DEEPLY INTO ALL OF THAT. BUT LET’S SHARE, I KNOW ONE OF YOUR FORTES IS FOR YOUR SALVATION, FEAR AND TREMBLING, SUCH A DECENT MAN AND CONFUSION IN THE WORLD AND EVEN WITHIN THE SEGMENTS OF THE CHURCH, MALE, FEMALE, TRUE MASCULINITY AND WHAT IS IT NOT. SO, YOU HAVE GIVEN A LOT OF THOUGHT TO THAT AND I WANT TO SET YOU LOOSE AND SET YOU FREE AND SHARE THIS AREA. WHY YOU THINK IT’S SO IMPORTANT WITHIN THIS JUNCTURE IN THE HISTORY OF THE CHURCH.>>Guest: WELL, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT’S DEVELOPED OVER TIME. LOOKING BACK, I SAW A LOT OF THIS. YOU KNOW, I DIDN’T KNOW WHAT IT WAS. WE SEE IT IN SITCOMS AND MOVIES AND SO FORTH. AND HUSBANDS AND FATHERS ARE ESSENTIALLY BUFFOONS. AND THEY ARE JUST NOT MASCULINE. AND THEY DO THEIR THING. THEY DON’T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING. THEY ARE RIDICULED. THE CHILDREN DON’T LISTEN TO THEM. THE WIFE KIND OF RUNS THE SHOWS AND BERATES HIM. I MEAN, THIS IS CONSIDERED FUNNY IN OUR SECULAR WORLD AND SO FORTH. BUT IT BECAME SO RAMPANT THAT VIRTUALLY EVERY SHOW HAD THAT SAME CHARACTER. EVEN THE FATHER IF HE WAS NON EXISTENT OR IF HE WAS THERE, JUST A KIND OF RIDICULE. SO, STARTED THINKING ABOUT THIS ALONG WITH MANY OTHER THINGS, YOU WOULD SEE YOUNG MEN GOING TO THE MOVIES. SEE A MOVIE LIKE BRAVE HEART, SAY, AN EPIC MOVIE WHERE SOMEBODY DIES FOR SOMETHING GREATER THAN THEMSELVES OR SOMETHING ELSE IN THE MOVIE. THERE WAS ALWAYS SOMETHING THAT STIRRED UP IN MY SOUL AND WITHIN ALL OF THE OTHER YOUNG MEN THAT I WAS WITH, IF WE WENT AND SEE THIS MOVIE, YOU WALK OUT THINKING, I WAS BORN IN THE WRONG CENTURY. I WISH I COULD HAVE BEEN THERE WHEN I COULD PICK UP A SWORD AND FIGHT FOR WHAT WAS TRUE AND EVEN DYING, AND SO FORTH. SO, I WANT TO THINK THAT. AND YOU WALK OUT OF THE MOVIE AND YOU GO RIGHT BACK IN THE POST MODERN WORLD WHERE YOU ARE TOLD, BE QUIET, SIT DOWN, DON’T STAND FOR ANYTHING, ENJOY YOUR VIDEO GAME OR WHATEVER THE DAILY PLEASURE IS. DON’T ASSERT YOURSELF. THERE ARE NO MORE FIGHTS TO BE FOUGHT. THOSE THINGS ARE STORIES. AND IT’S SUCH A LIE. THE CHRISTIAN LIFE, THAT’S WHY IT’S CALLED THE CHURCH MILITANT. WE’RE HERE TO FIGHT DAILY. SPIRITUAL BATTLES, AND MEN HAVE BEEN TOLD NOW FOR YEARS, IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS. WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS FOR HOURS, TO NOT DO THAT, THAT FIGHTING IS BAD. ALL WAR IS BAD, ALL FIGHTING IS BAD AND THAT SPIRIT IS BAD. IT NEEDS TO BE TEMPERED. WE SEE THIS IN OUR SCHOOLS, YOU KNOW, WHERE THE MASCULINE IS JUST BEING KIND OF ELIMINATED. AND CONVERSELY, YOUNG WOMEN ARE BEING TOLD — MY WIFE TALKS ABOUT THIS A LOT. SHE WAS TOLD THIS MANY TIMES, BE ASSERTIVE, BE DOMINANT. AND THOSE THINGS CAN BE FINE BUT WHEN IT THEN SERVES TO BRING MEN DOWN, WHAT ENDS UP HAPPENING, MEN GIVE UP THEIR ROLES. AND YOU KIND OF SEE GENESIS BEING REPEATED ALL OVER AGAIN. ADAM INSTEAD OF STANDING UP AND DEFENDING HIS WIFE AGAINST THE WILES OF SATAN, SITS BACK AND DOESN’T DO ANYTHING. AND LOOK WHAT HAPPENS. AND YOU SEE THIS REPEATED IN OUR SOCIETY DAILY WHERE MEN JUST KIND OF FLOUNDER, LEAVING OFTENTIMES, THE WOMEN OR THE WIVES TO DO EVERYTHING AND IT’S A REAL SHAME. AND YOU HAVE TO SAY, WHAT IS IT THAT WE’VE LOST HERE, THAT WE CAN RECOVER. AND IT’S THAT SENSE OF SACRIFICIAL LEADERSHIP. AND YOU SAY, OKAY. WELL, WHAT’S THE IDEAL, PERFECT MAN? THAT’S CHRIST OF COURSE. WHAT DID CHRIST DO? HOW DID HE SHOW HIS LOVE AND LEADERSHIP FOR OTHERS. HE’S THE LORD, THE KING. AND YET, HE GAVE UP HIMSELF TO SAVE OTHERS. THAT’S WHAT A MAN DOES. HE IS THE LEADER, GOD MADE THE MAN THE HEAD OF THE HOUSEHOLD, PRIEST OF THE HOME, TO DEFEND AND PROTECT. HOW DOES HE DO THAT? HE DIES TO HIMSELF EVERYDAY. AND SOMETIMES WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THESE THINGS, I SAY, DIE. DIE? HOW IS THAT HELPFUL?>>DIE TO YOURSELF. WHY DO FAMILIES BREAK UP, MARRIAGES FAIL OFTENTIMES. THEY GET MARRIED AND THEN EVERYBODY STILL WANTS TO LIVE –>>Joy: SEPARATE. EVERYBODY IS LEADING SINGLE LIVES IN THE MARRIAGE.>>Guest: AND THAT NEEDS TO START WITH THE MAN. GOD IS GOING TO COME TO THE MAN FIRST AND SAY, DID YOU DEFEND YOUR HOUSEHOLD, DO EVERYTHING YOU COULD DO TO GET YOUR WIFE AND CHILDREN TO HEAVEN BECAUSE WHEN IT’S ALL SAID AND DONE AND THIS IS WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM THE PRIESTS, WHEN IT’S SAID AND DONE, ALL YOU WANT TO HEAR IS SALVATION OF SOULS. WE HAVE MANY OTHER LITTLE ISSUES TO BE INVOLVED WITH, THAT WE SPEAK ON, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT’S WHAT MATTERS, HOW DO WE DO THAT? WE DO TO OURSELVES. IF MEN DIE TO THEMSELVES, AND THEY SAY, I DIE TO THESE DESIRES OF WHAT GETS IN THE WAY, WHAT’S BEST FOR MY FAMILY AND WIFE. AND I CAN LEAD THEM PROPERLY IN THE PRIORITIES AND I’M GOING TO DIE TO THE TV SHOW SO WE HAVE MORE TIME IN PRAYER. AND OTHER COLLATERAL THINGS SO I CAN SPEND MORE TIME WITH MY FAMILY. THAT’S WHAT YOU DO. AND WHEN YOU DO THAT, NOW, YOU ARE EXPRESSING THAT SENSE OF MASCULINITY, THAT LEADERSHIP AND IT FREES EVERYBODY ELSE TO PERFORM THEIR ROLES. AND THE WIFE CAN NOW ACTUALLY RESPECT HER HUSBAND AND PERFORM THE DUTIES THAT GOD HAS GIVEN HER. AND THE CHILDREN NOW CAN SEE, LEADING AND PREPARING THE FAMILY FOR MASS. MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE THERE ON TIME AND THE NIGHT BEFORE HASN’T BEEN MISUSED. WHEN YOU DON’T SEE THAT BECAUSE THERE ARE INTERESTING STATISTICS. AND THINK I SAW ONE I THINK WHEN IT WAS JUST THE MOTHER TAKING THE CHILDREN TO MASS, THE PERCENTAGE OF THE CHILDREN FAITH FAITHFULLY GOING IS ONLY 10-20%, I MAY HAVE THE NUMBERS WRONG.>>Joy: NO, NO. IT’S VERY LOW. AND WITH THE DAD LEADING?>>Guest: IT’S SOMEWHERE AROUND 90% THEN. AND IT’S JUST FITTING IN WITH HOW GOD HAS ORDAINED REALITY.>>Jim: AMEN. LET’S PAUSE. WE’RE SPEAKING TO MARC AYERS, FATHER AND ATTORNEY, TRUE MASCULINITY AND THE GREAT NEED AS NEVER BEFORE IN THE CHURCH AND IN THE WORLD, IT CAN BE A GREAT DAY FOR THE FAMILY. DON’T GO AWAY, WE’LL BE RIGHT BACK, PLENTY MORE TO COME. [APPLAUSE] ♪ ♪ [APPLAUSE]>>Joy: WELCOME BACK. REMEMBER, WE WANT YOU TO BE PART OF OUR SHOW. IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR MARC, SEND US AN EMAIL AT [email protected] HOPEFULLY WE’LL USE YOUR QUESTION OR COMMENT RIGHT HERE ON THE AIR. AND WE’RE HAVING A GREAT CONVERSATION, FATHER OF FOUR, ATTORNEY. AND YOU PRESENTED SO WELL, JUST THE MASCULINITY, THE POWER OF A MAN. AS A WOMAN, IT’S, LIKE, YAY, THAT’S WHAT WE WANT, RIGHT? BUT THIS WHOLE WORLD IS JUST FLIPPED INSIDE-DOWN. DISMISS A MAN, I’VE HEARD WOMEN SAY, I DON’T NEED ME NO MAN. YEAH, YEAH, YOU DO. AND THAT’S JUST WHAT OUR CULTURE HAS DONE. AND AS YOU ARE BEING A DAD AND BEING A GREAT WITNESS TO YOUR SON, DAUGHTERS, DON’T SETTLE FOR LESS, I MEAN, IT GETS PRETTY SCARY. THIS IS WHAT YOUR FATHER IS SUPPOSED TO DO AND YOUR CHILDREN ARE WATCHING. AND OUR CHILDREN WITNESS THAT IN OUR HOUSE. I’M SO BLESSED TO SAY THEY ARE ALL MARRIED, MARRIED GOOD MEN AND OUR HUSBAND’S AND SONS ARE GOOD FATHERS. AND THE IMPORTANCE OF ROLE MODELS, THEN THE WORLD IS LOOKING FOR THE CULTURE. AND THAT’S WHERE THEY ARE GETTING THEIR IDENTITY FROM.>>WE CAN TALK STATISTICS. THERE ARE VARIED STATISTICS HOW MANY ENDED UP IN PRISON AND HOW MANY DIDN’T HAVE FATHERS IN THE HOME. JUST A STAGGERING NUMBER. AND IT MAKES SENSE. IF YOU GROW UP JUST BEING FED ON WHAT THE WORLD FEEDS YOU, YOU DON’T HAVE SOMEBODY RIGHT THERE, AS A BUTTRESS TO THAT, OH, WELL, THESE GUYS ON TV AND SCHOOL, ACT THAT WAY. BUT MY DAD DOESN’T RESPOND THAT WAY. SO, IF THAT’S NOT THERE, THEN IT’S QUITE NATURAL THAT SOMEBODY IS GOING TO END UP, DOING WHAT THEY WERE TAUGHT. AND KIND OF OBTAIN THIS SACRIFICIAL SENSIBILITY AND INSTEAD, WHAT YOU GET IS ONE OF THE OTHER. AND THE NOTION OF FEMINISITY, NOT FEMININITY, WHICH IS FOR WOMEN. BUT YOU KNOW, FEMINISITY IS WEAKNESS AND CAN TURN IN A WAY THAT FOR EXAMPLE, WE IN AMERICA, WE TEND TO THINK OF THE RAMBO CHARACTER THAT CAN BEAT UP EVERYBODY AND GETS ALL OF THE WOMEN AND SO FORTH. THAT’S BEING A MAN, THAT’S A MACHO MAN TYPE THING. ST. THOMAS AQUINAS WOULD CALL HIM EFFEMINATE. AND WE WOULD SAY, HOW IS HE EFFEMINATE BECAUSE HE’S A TOUGH GUY. BUT THE DEFINITION ACCORDING TO THOMAS AQUINAS IS BEING UNWILLING TO PUT ASIDE THE DESIRE FOR PLEASURE IN ORDER TO DO YOUR DUTY TO DO THAT WHICH IS DIFFICULT. SO, IF I’M JUST FOLLOWING MY PLEASURE ALL THE TIME, WHATEVER THAT IS.>>Jim: THAT’S VERY INTERESTING.>>Guest: WHETHER IT’S PHYSICAL PLEASURE, FOOD, WATCHING THE TELEVISION, JUST SLEEPING, BE ANYTHING, THEN I’M AN EFFEMINATE CHARACTER. IF I CAN’T CONTROL MYSELF AND I WANT TO BEAT UP EVERYBODY, I’M ACTUALLY EFFEMINATE BECAUSE I DON’T HAVE ANY CONTROL. AND HE SAYS, THE PERFECT MAN IS ONE WITH SELF CONTROL. HE’S NOT DRIVEN BY HIS PASSIONS. WHEREAS, THE CURRENT CULTURE TELLS US TO BE DRIVEN BY OUR PASSIONS. AND THAT’S IT. THAT’S THE MODEL.>>Jim: THAT’S VERY POWERFUL. THAT’S TOSSING ON ITS HEAD, BECAUSE THE DEAL IS WEAKNESS. THAT’S WHERE YOU STARTED WITH. GUYS ARE THINKING THAT THEY ARE VERY STRONG, USING WOMEN AND WE SEE THIS DAY IN AND DAY OUT IN OUR CRISIS PREGNANCY CENTER. GUYS COME IN, IMPREGNATING GIRLS AND THEN WANTING ABORTIONS AND SO ON AND TO SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE WEAK. HOW DO YOU FIGURE I’M WEAK, I’M SO — AND YOU KNOW THAT’S WEAK, JUST LEAGUE IT DOWN. AND JUST TOSSING IT OUT THERE.>>Guest: WELL, YOU HAVE NO VIRTUE. YOU ARE TOO WEAK TO PROTECT THESE WOMEN FROM YOU, FROM YOURSELF. AND NO MAN WANTS TO BE CALLED WEAK OR EFFEMINATE. BUT THE CHURCH MAY NEED TO DIRECTLY CHALLENGE THAT AS IT DID IN THE PAST. NO, WE NEED TO REJECT THIS NOTION. AND IT’S NOT BEING PASSIVE. THE OTHER WAY WE GENERALLY CONSIDER WEAKNESS. A MAN IS STRONG WHEN HE NEEDS TO BE STRONG. AND HE MAY NEED TO PHYSICALLY DEFEND HIS FAMILY, STAND UP IN THOSE WAYS BUT BUT HE DOES SO IN THE APPROPRIATE TIMES AND APPROPRIATE WAY. NOT OUT OF LACK OF SELF CONTROL. THAT’S EASY TO SAY, LOTS OF TIME AS A FATHER, JUST KIND OF LOSE IT. BUT THE I DEAL IS TO BE A MAN OF CONTROL, CONVICTION. AND THAT WOULD BE CALLED A TRUE MAN.>>AND THE BEAUTY OF THAT IS PARENTING, AS WE DID, YOU MAKE YOUR FAILURES AND SUCCESSES BEFORE YOUR CHILDREN. THEY SEE YOU AS DEPENDENT ON GOD, TO BECOME PATIENT AND SELF CONTROL BECAUSE YOU CAN’T DO THAT, I’M GOING TO BE PATIENT.>>APART FROM GOD, YOU CAN’T DO THAT. AND SO, THEY SEE YOU SAYING, DO YOU WANT TO DISCIPLINE OR DO YOU WANT TO DISCIPLE THAT CHILD. YOU WANT A TEACHING MOMENT WHERE YOU CAN SAY THAT BEHAVIOR WAS NOT GOOD. THAT WAS BAD BEHAVIOR. YOU ARE GOOD. SO, YOU CAN NOT HIT YOUR SISTER WITH A BASEBALL BAT. SO, WE KNOW THE REAL PART OF IT. I LOVE YOU BUT THERE’S CONSEQUENCES TO THIS. AND YOU CAN REALLY DO THAT WELL. BUT THEN THEY SEE YOU DEPENDENT ON GOD. AND THEY SEE YOU PRAYING. THEY SEE YOU DOWN ON YOUR KNEES AND PRAYING AT THEIR BEDSIDE. JIM DID THAT MANY A NIGHT WITH THE BOYS AND THEY SAY, DAD YOU ARE SO BIG AND STRONG AND THEY NEED THAT HUNGER AND THIRST. THEY NEED GOD TOO. SO, LET’S TAKE THIS EMAIL. MY SON HAD A CHILD OUT OF WEDLOCK AND HE DOES NOT PLAY A BIG ROLE IN HIS SON’S LIFE. TOO BUSY, TOO TIRED OR GIVES SOME OTHER EXCUSE. HOW DO I EXPLAIN TO HIM THAT FATHERHOOD IS A VOCATION AND HE IS NOW WHAT HE HAS BEEN CALLED TO BE. HE NEEDS TO STEP UP AND BE A FATHER. THIS IS MARGARET FROM NORWOOD, OHIO.>>Guest: THAT GETS BACK TO WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, A NEED TO DIE TO ONE SELF. AM I STRONG ENOUGH. IT’S A SENSE OF BEING STRONG. AND IT’S NOT A SENSE OF I DON’T HAVE ENOUGH TIME OR SO FORTH. I THINK IF WE DID AN AUDIT OF OUR ACTUAL TIME. I DON’T HAVE TIME FOR THAT FIVE MINUTE PRAYER. OH REALLY? LET’S SEE WHAT YOU DID TODAY, HOW MUCH TIME YOU SPENT AT THE GYM, WATCHED TV PLAYED A GAME. I BET YOU DO. SO, ENCOURAGE THE YOUNG MAN TO BE IN PRAYER ABOUT THIS. THAT NEEDS TO BE CORE TO OUR LIFE. AND REALLY THINK, WAIT A MINUTE. IT’S NOT JUST ABOUT ME. THERE’S THIS LIFE NOW. AND HE’S FLESH OF MY FLESH. AND AM I STRONG ENOUGH NOW TO BE A REAL MAN, TO PUT ASIDE THOSE DESIRES AND TO LIVE FOR SOMEBODY ELSE, TO BE LIKE CHRIST? AND YOU KNOW, WE COULD TALK ABOUT, WHAT TYPE OF THINGS ARE YOU LEAVING HIM TO IF YOU DON’T TEACH THAT YOUNG CHILD. TO ENCOURAGE, AND NO, NO, SHOW YOUR STRENGTH, BE A MAN.>>WHAT ROLE DOES COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY MALE FELLOWSHIP COMMUNITY PLAY IN REDISCOVERING OR CALLING FORTH THAT WHICH IS ALREADY THERE, WHAT DO YOU SEE WHAT’S GOING ON BEING HELPFUL FOR YOU, RENEWAL IN THE WHOLE AREA OF SOUND, WHOLE COMPREHENSIVE MASCULINITY WITHIN THE CHURCH. YOU SEE IT GROWING IN TERMS OF THAT, ARE THERE GROUPS BEING OFFERED FOR YOUNG GUYS AS WELL AS YOUNG BOYS, GUYS, MEN, FATHERS. WHAT DO YOU THINK?>>Guest: THERE IS, THANKFULLY, A MOVEMENT NOW TO RESTORE THIS SENSE OF MASCULINITY OF CHIVALRIC, AND THERE’S A GROUP, FRATERNUS, TROUPE OF ST. GEORGE FOUND NOT TOO MANY YEARS AGO. MEN NEED THIS MENTORSHIP OF OTHER MEN AND A REFOCUSING ON THAT. AND YOU KNOW, BARRY’S ORGANIZATION, HERE AT EWTN. AND I’VE ACTUALLY SEEN NUMEROUS SITES THAT SPECIFICALLY ARE DIRECTED AT THIS. AND USING IN FACT, ONE OF THE AREAS THAT I LIKE TO TEACH ON IS THE CRUSADES, MILITARY ORDERS AND LOOK BACK, WHAT IS IT THAT PROMPTED THESE MEN TO GIVE UP, THE KNIGHTS OF THE TEMPLAR, THEY SAW THE PILGRIMS GOING FROM ONE SPOT TO ANOTHER, AND THEY WERE BEING ATTACKED. AND THE KNIGHTS WHO HAD MEANS AND ABILITY, THEY SAID, LET’S GIVE ALL OF THAT UP AND USE IT INSTEAD TO DEFEND OUR BROTHER CHRISTIANS, BROTHERS AND SISTERS, GOING TO THE SITES, JERUSALEM AND OTHER SITES. AND SO THAT’S HOW IT GOT STARTED, THEY GAVE UP EVERYTHING TO DEFEND THEIR BROTHERS AND SISTERS. THERE’S SO MUCH TO LEARN FROM THAT SPIRIT. IT’S PART OF THE CHURCH. AND THIS IS A BIT UNFORTUNATE. SOMETIMES THOSE THINGS ARE BEING SEEN INSIDE THE CHURCH AS BEING, WELL, WE DON’T LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THAT, THAT’S NOT AN AREA, SADLY, THAT SPIRIT OF EFFEMINACY HAS REARED ITS HEAD IN THE CHURCH. A LOT OF TIMES, YOU WILL SEE THAT IN THE REFUSAL TO SPEAK UP, THE REFUSAL TO SPEAK CLEARLY AND EMBRACE THE HISTORIC TEACHING OF THE FAITH AND TO MORE PAIR UP WITH THE WORLD THINKING THE WORLD IS OUR FRIEND AND WE CAN GET ALONG. WHEREAS, HISTORICALLY, THE CHURCH HAS STOOD AGAINST THE WORLD AND SAID, NO WE STAND FOR CHRIST. JESUS CHRIST IS OUR ONLY BOSS. AND YOU KNOW, EVERY TIME YOU DO THAT, HERE COME THE CONVERTS. YOU WANT TO SEE THE CHURCH GROW, THAT’S HOW YOU DO IT. THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THAT. AND I ENCOURAGE THEM TO SEE IF THERE’S ANY FRATERNUS CHAPTERS OR ANY CHAPTERS LIKE THAT. SEARCH FOR IT. THERE’S A LOT OF GOOD PEOPLE OUT THERE SPEAKING ABOUT THIS ON WHAT REALLY CONTINUES TO BE A CRISIS. BUT THE FIRST STEP IS TO SEE IT. SO, I THINK IT IS BEING SEEN. AND THAT’S A GREAT BLESSING.>>I THINK WHERE DAD’S GET IN TROUBLE, THEY THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE GOT TO DO SPORTS, WE’RE GOING TO DO FOOTBALL, BASKETBALL AND WE DO ALL THIS STUFF BECAUSE WE THINK THAT HE’S GOING TO BE THE MICHAEL JORDAN OF THE DAY OR THE CURRY OF THE DAY, WHOEVER THE NEW PERSON OF THE DAY IS. BUT REALLY NOT. BUT MAYBE THEY ARE TRYING TO LIVE OUT SOMETHING IN THEIR OWN LIFE THROUGH THEIR CHILDREN. SO, HERE, YOU HAVE, SPENT ALL OF THIS TIME MONEY AND ENERGY AND YOU NEVER CULTIVATED HIS FAITH. YOU MAY HAVE DRIVEN HIM ALL AROUND THE CITY, STATE, AND SOUTHEAST, BUT YOU NEVER CULTIVATED HIS FAITH. SO, WE DO THAT. WE DO THAT IN THE CHURCH. WE THINK WE’RE DOING HIM A FAVOR.>>Guest: NOW, THERE’S MANY GOOD THINGS THAT MAY COME FROM SPORT BUT IT’S KIND OF A WHEEL THAT THE WORLD PUTS US IN. AND HE TURNS FIVE AND THEY ARE, LIKE, WHAT TEAM IS GOING TO BE IN FOR THIS, THIS, AND THIS. IT’S HARD TO DRAW CLEAR LINES WHEN YOU SHOULD AND SHOULDN’T DO THESE THINGS. I THINK THAT’S A ROLE WHERE THE FATHER STANDS UP AND SAYS, LOOK, WE’RE NOT GOING TO SPEND ALL OF OUR TIME RUNNING AROUND. NOW, YOU HAVE THINGS WHERE PEOPLE ARE RUNNING AROUND, PLAYING BALL WHEN THEY ARE 8-YEARS-OLD. AND I THINK ABOUT OUR PARENTS AND GRANDPARENTS, TO ASK THEM, SO, WHAT LITTLE LEAGUE WERE YOU ON. THEY JUST LOOK AT YOU FUNNY AND THIS IS A MODERN THING THAT’S COME ALONG WITH THE NON STOP ALL YEAR, TYPICALLY NOT ONE CHILD IN THE CAR. THE WHOLE FAMILY GETS IN THE CAR AND AT SOME POINT, WE STOP AND SAY, WAIT A MINUTE. IS THIS SOMETHING BECOMING AN IDOL OR DO WE NEED TO SLOW THIS DOWN AND HAVE MORE SATURATING FAMILY TIME WHERE THEY SEE THE FATHER IS HERE. WE’RE TALKING AND READING TOGETHER, PLAYING A GAME TOGETHER. YOU WANT TO PLAY SPORTS GO IN THE BACKYARD AND PLAY SPORTS WITH YOUR FAMILY AND THE NEIGHBORS. THAT’S HOW IT USED TO BE. GO OUT AND PLAY STICKBALL IN THE STREET. SO, THERE, YOU ARE REALLY SPENDING YOUR TIME, A QUALITY TIME THERE AND INVESTED, I THINK SPORTS CAN BE, NOT ALWAYS, BUT JUST A TIME FILLER, THE CHILDREN MAY ENJOY IT OF THE AND THE YEARS GO BY QUICKLY AND IT KILLS ME. I’M NOT GOOD AT THIS. AND THEN THE YEARS GOING BY AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, THEY ARE GROWN AND GONE. AND DID I REALLY INVEST THE TIME. DID I SHOW LEADERSHIP. WHEN ITS HARD, NO, WE’RE NOT GOING TO BE INVOLVED IN SPORTS FOR THIS. WE’RE GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BREAK. YOU MAY GET BACKLASH BUT SOMETIMES THE PAP MAN HAS TO STAND UP AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT’S BEST FOR MY FAMILY.>>WELL, FRONT AND CENTER, THE MOM AND DAD TEACHING THERE, DOMESTIC EDUCATION, AND ANY THOUGHTS ON CATECHESIS, WHERE THERE’S SUPPOSEDLY CONFUSION, GENDER IDENTIFICATION, MARRIAGE. WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN TERMS OF INSIDE THE CHURCH.>>THAT’S ONE OF THE THINGS WE LEARNED WHEN WE CAME INTO THE CHURCH. WE CAME FROM A VERY STRONG CONSERVATIVE PROTESTANT BACKGROUND. YOU HAVE SUNDAY SCHOOL, FROM 2-YEARS-OLD ALL THE WAY UNTIL THEY PUT YOU IN THE BOX. THERE’S A CLASS THERE AND CONSTANT BIBLE AND INSTRUCTION AND SO FORTH. THEY ARE QUITE GOOD. AND WHEN WE CAME INTO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, A LOT OF FOLKS, EVEN THOSE THAT HAVE GROWN UP IN THE CHURCH, THINGS THEY DIDN’T KNOW IS JUST A GREAT SURPRISE TO US THAT THERE WAS A REAL LOSS OF A CATECHESIS. THERE WAS A GREAT DEVOTION BUT NOT A LOT OF CATECHESIS. AND THAT’S ONE THING THAT WE SAW IN SOME OF THE ADULT EDUCATION PROGRAMS. IT WAS MORE ABOUT, LIKE CERTAIN TOPICS AND POLITICAL ISSUES, INCLUDING SOME THAT, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, VERY CONFUSED ABOUT SOCIAL JUSTICE AND SO FORTH. BUT I SEE A GOOD MOVEMENT THERE. IN FACT, YOU HAVE LOT OF CONVERTS COMING INTO THE CHURCH READING THEIR WAY IN. AND ACTUALLY READING A LOT OF THE GROUPS NOW AND THEY ARE NOT ALL BUT THERE’S A RENEWED EMPHASIS ON CATECHESIS AND LEARNING THE ELEMENTS OF THE FAITH, THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF THE FAITH. YOU SEE THIS SOMETIMES IN THE OLD CATECHISMS THAT THE PEOPLE WOULD LEARN. VERY CLEAR FAITH. THERE IS SUCH RAMPANT CONFUSION ABOUT THINGS IN THE CHURCH, THINGS THAT USED TO BE, GOING BACK 50, 60 YEARS, VERY CLEAR. WHETHER OR NOT PEOPLE FOLLOWED THEM OR NOT AT THE TIME. THEY STILL KNEW IT. BUT NOW THERE’S A SPIRIT OF AMBIGUITY IN THE CHURCH WHERE THINGS THAT WE THOUGHT WERE PRETTY WELL TAUGHT FOR THE LAST 1950 YEARS ARE NOW BEING THROWN INTO DOUBT. WE’RE SEEING THE BISHOPS AND SO FORTH WRESTLING THROUGH MANY OF THE ISSUES. BUT THAT’S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO COME BACK FROM THE GROUND UP. WE’RE SEEING A LOT OF GOOD MOVEMENT IN THERE. AGAIN, IT’S GOOD FOR THE MAN TO STAND UP AND SAY, I’M GOING TO, WHATEVER I NEED TO DO TO HELP THE CHURCH IN THAT REGARD, WHATEVER I HAVE TO DO, CANCEL SOMETHING ELSE THAT I WAS DOING.>>Jim: THANK YOU SO MUCH, MARK, FOR BEING ONE OF THOSE MEN, STOOD UP IN YOUR HOME, LOVING YOUR WIFE, LOVING YOUR CHILDREN. STANDING UP IN THE CHURCH AND RE-DECLARING AGAIN THAT WHICH WE SEEMED TO HAVE FORGOTTEN IN TRUE MASCULINITY AND FAMILY AND MARRIAGE. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. WE’RE GOING TO TAKE A BREAK AND WE’LL BE RIGHT BACK. PLENTY MORE TO COME. PLEASE, DON’T GO AWAY. [APPLAUSE] ♪ ♪ [APPLAUSE]>>Joy: WELCOME BACK. YOU ARE AN IMPORTANT PART OF OUR FAMILY. WE WOULD LOVE FOR YOU TO JOIN US LIVE RIGHT HERE ON AT HOME. AND BE A MEMBER OF OUR STUDIO AUDIENCE, ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS CONTACT THE PILGRIMAGE DEPARTMENT. SEND THEM AN EMAIL AT [email protected] GIVE THEM A CALL AT 205-271-2980 OR TOLL-FREE 1-800-221-9460. THEY WILL MAKE ALL OF THESE WONDERFUL ARRANGEMENTS FOR YOU. YOU MAY HAVE IT ON YOUR SUMMER SCHEDULE, GO TO HANCEVILLE AND VISIT MOTHER ANGELICA’S RESTING PLACE. AND RIGHT NOW, WE’RE GOING TO ROME TO HEAR FROM JOAN. SO, WHAT DO YOU HAVE FOR US TODAY?>>GREETINGS FROM ROME TO ALL OF YOU AT HOME.>>WHAT AN AMAZING TOPIC TODAY. SO TIMELY, LIVING A HOLY LIFE IN CHALLENGING SECULAR TIMES! FOR TWO MILLENNIA, CHRISTIANS, FOLLOWING THE TEACHINGS OF THEIR FAITH, HAVE SOUGHT TO BE GOOD, EVEN SAINTLY, PEOPLE AND TO THUS, BY GOOD CHRISTIAN BEHAVIOR, HELP MAKE SOCIETY A BETTER PLACE. AND FOR TWO MILLENNIA, LIVING HOLY LIVES HAS BEEN A CHALLENGE BUT PERHAPS TODAY MORE THAN EVER BECAUSE OF A HIGHLY SECULARIZED WORLD, BOTH OUR FAITH AND OUR FAITH-BASED ACTIONS HAVE COME UNDER DAILY ATTACKS AND CHALLENGE. TODAY WE HAVE MULTIPLE CHALLENGES TO THE FAITH AND FOR THE FAITH. A FRIEND OF MINE, ARCHBISHOP AUGUSTINE DI NOIA, ADJUNCT SECRETARY OF THE CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH, SAID LAST NOVEMBER IN A TALK THAT, “WE HAVE TO AVOID THE CHALLENGE TO ADAPT THE CATHOLIC FAITH TO THE SECULAR CHALLENGES.” WITH THIS APPROACH, HE SAID, THE CHRISTIAN MESSAGE BECOMES INDISTINGUISHABLE FROM THE SECULAR MARKETPLACE. THE ANSWER? ADDRESSING THE CHALLENGES DEMANDS A ROBUST, VIGOROUS FORM OF EVANGELIZATION. WE HAVE TO BE CONVINCED THE TRUTH AND BEAUTY IS ATTRACTIVE IN ITS OWN RIGHT WHEN DELIVERED WITH CONVICTION, THE ARCHBISHOP EMPHASIZED. IT CAN’T BE WATERED DOWN, NOT COMPROMISED. VATICAN SECRETARY OF STATE CARDINAL PIETRO PAROLIN HAS SAID WE HAVE TO FIND CREATIVE WAYS TO SPREAD THE GOSPEL IN A GLOBALIZED SECULAR SOCIETY. HE SAID RELIGION AND MORALITY STILL NEED TO FORM THE CORE FOUNDATIONS OF ANY SOCIETY OR NATION. TODAY, IN SO MANY COUNTRIES, PUBLICLY IDENTIFYING WITH ANY RELIGION HAS BECOME AN ACT OF COURAGE AND BELIEVERS ARE OFTEN ASSUMED TO BE NAIVE, UNSOPHISTICATED OR NARROW MINDED. WE KNOW THAT’S NOT THE TRUTH AT ALL. BUT LET’S HEED POPE FRANCIS’ ADVICE TO YOUNG PEOPLE: DON’T BE AFRAID, DON’T BE ASHAMED OF FAITH. WE MUST KNOW THE FAITH, ALWAYS LIVE IT AS CHRISTIANS AND USE EVERY CHANCE WE HAVE TO EVANGELIZE. BE HAPPY AND JOYFUL IN OUR FAITH NO ONE CAN REALLY TAKE THAT FROM US. WE COULD SAY A LOT MORE ON THIS TOPIC. BUT AS USUAL, TIME’S UP. BACK TO YOU AT HOME!>>Jim: THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE INSPIRING REFLECTIONS. YOU ARE ALWAYS SUCH A JOY. NOW, FATHER JOSEPH, CAN WE HAVE OUR BLESSING.>>Father: I USED TO HAVE A FRIEND THAT SAYS, THE TRUTH IS HEALING. WHEN YOU HEAR THE TRUTH, IT JUST GIVES YOU PEACE. AND IT WAS SO GOOD TO HEAR THE TRUTH ABOUT MASCULINITY AND THE ROLE OF MANHOOD IN TODAY’S SOCIETY AND HOW IT’S OFTEN BEING UNDERMINED AND MARC TALKED ABOUT EFFEMINACY. AND I THINK IT GAVE THE VIEWERS A NEW INSIGHT INTO THIS, GIVING INTO YOUR OWN WHIMS AND NOT DENYING YOURSELF FOR A GREATER GOOD. I THINK THAT WAS A VERY HELPFUL INSIGHT.>>EFFEMINATE AND THE WEAKNESS AND THOSE THAT THINK THEY ARE DOING THE DIRECT OPPOSITE ARE OFTEN THE WEAKEST, MACHO GUY OR USURY OF PEOPLE AND WOMEN AND SO ON AND JUST SPIN IT AROUND AND SAY, WELL, TO SHOW IT AS WEAKNESS. BECAUSE IT’S NOT THE STRENGTH. MARK WENT WITH IT, WHERE THE FAITH GOES TO IT. AND THAT IS THAT IT’S MORE BLESSED TO GIVE YOUR LIFE, RIGHT, THAN TO RECEIVE. GIVE YOUR LIFE. YOU FIND YOUR LIFE AND YOU LOSE YOUR LIFE AND YOU FIND YOUR LIFE. THE WHOLE THING ABOUT THE TRINITY IS CONTINUALLY ETERNALLY GIVING THEMSELVES AWAY TO EACH OTHER. AND THIS IS TRUE STRENGTH, TRUE LOVE AND IT’S CRITICAL THAT WE CAPTURE THIS. AND WHETHER WE CAPTURE IT OR NOT, THAT’S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS PRE PRESENT IT. THESE FELLOWSHIP GROUPS WITH YOUNG ENTICE AND SHARING AND SAYING WE’RE IN THERE TOGETHER.>>FATHER JOHN PAUL WAS WATCHING THE PRODUCTION. HE’S ONE OF THE CHAPLAINS FOR FRATERNUS AND THEY ARE GOING TO TO THIS RANCH, LIKE, 200 OTHER MEN AND FATHER JOHN PAUL WAS SAYING, A LOT OF FATHERS WAS SAYING THIS HAS DONE MORE FOR ME THAN MY SON. WE’VE LOST THAT MENTORING IDEA OF WHAT A MAN IS SUPPOSED TO BE. WHAT’S HIS ROLE IN SOCIETY. WHAT’S HIS ROLE IN THE FAMILY. AND THIS IS HELPING MEN AND YOUNG MEN TO DISCOVER THAT AND REDISCOVER THAT.>>Joy: HOW BEAUTIFUL IS THAT, AND EVEN IN MARRIAGE AND THE PRIESTHOOD, WHEN JIM IS SERVING ME AND HE’S BEING SELFLESS, THEN I WANT TO SERVE HIM MORE AND BE SELFLESS. WHEN THE PRIEST IS SERVING THE BODY, YOU KNOW, AND THEN THE BODY IS NOT JUST TAKING THE BODY, THE BODY WANTS TO SERVE THE PRIEST. FATHER, WHAT CAN WE DO, HOW CAN WE HELP YOU, HOW CAN WE ASSIST YOU. THAT’S THE BEAUTY OF THE GIVE AND TAKE OF IT.>>Jim: TRUE STRENGTH. FATHER, WHY DON’T YOU DO WHAT YOU DO, GIVE US A PRAYER AND BLESSING.>>Father: FATHER, WE PRAY ESPECIALLY FOR FATHERHOOD WHICH IS A LOST REALITY IN SO MANY WAYS IN OUR SOCIETY TODAY. AND TO IMPART TO MEN THROUGHOUT THE WORLD, A NEW AWARENESS OF THEIR IMPORTANCE AND NECESSARY ROLE IN THE FAMILY AND IN SOCIETY. AND MAY ALMIGHTY GOD BLESS YOU ALL, FATHER, SON, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT. AMEN.>>Jim: THANKS AGAIN FOR JOINING US TODAY. YOU ARE AN IMPORTANT PART OF THIS EWTN FAMILY. YOU ARE ALWAYS “AT HOME WITH JIM AND JOY”. ALL TOGETHER WE’LL BUILD A NEW CULTURE OF LIFE SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE WORLD, THE WHOLE WORLD. [APPLAUSE] ♪

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